Posted by
Jackanapes on Monday, January 29, 2007 5:17:40 AM
This is an internet
conversation I am having with someone.
"The problem with
fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion;
the problem is that they are too much like religions."
--Sam Harris
Your reply was an
excellent one. It still does not answer
the basic question.
Atheism needs proof that it is a benefit.
Atheism does not have
Behavioral science on its side unless you want to point to a successful
civilization that is lacking in any theism.
Secularization is flawed and not logical when general human behavior is
considered. The logic of a genetic
determinism is flawed as there can be no way to prove it unless Mankind
suddenly rejects religiousness spontaneously.
A moral system that is self perpetuating without any higher power to
impose direction has yet to be proven effective in large societal
settings. The pure pursuit of scientific
method will not explain all things and not all logic is axiomatic without
latter revision as understanding changes.
When I talked of Zero it
is a number that means a lack of numerical value. You are correct to point out that there is no
argument on opinion. I simply state my
feeling that Atheism is zero or a religion with no numerical value but still
represents and is called a number.
Entropy... If you feel that things are getting worse and
religion is to blame then look at all the glorious secularization that is
around us all. It is in School the Court
House and the Halls of Popular Media.
The Roman Empire tried it's best to defeat Christianity and it had
the best chance for a Philosophy/Logic driven society. Yet it fell and still lives today as the Holy Roman Empire with the Pope as its emperor. We are again surrounded by entropy as the
clash of instincts in conflict sap away at the order of things.
There is no absolute freedom. If you are free to do anything you want then
you are your own god and the life span of the body is your eternity.
I like this poem by Steve Turner
Here is the post-script
If
chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is his rainbow in the sky,
and when you hear
State
of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting!
Bomb Blasts School!
It
is but the sound of man worshiping his maker.